@bhaugen thank you Bob, I appreciate that a lot and your message came as much needed support in a relatively difficult time (I'm sick, overloaded at work and dealing with some degree of conflict in the coop). I hope your personal life, Mikorizal and your experiments with Valueflow are going well!

@Matt_Noyes I agree that is the ideal! My apologies for any time I have fallen short of that. But being in a group with power (to silence, to sever, to banish) comes with responsibilities, and I believe constructively criticizing such a group and their actions should be allowed and perhaps encouraged.

@django Somewhat, yes, but this doesn't mean that there couldn't be an additional imperative way, maybe in the worst case limited to Chromium browsers.

Imagine if priests, monks and nuns went around being salty and dismissive of the general population because they are not celibate like them.

That's representative of way too many [[AI celibates]] in the #Fediverse as of the time of writing.

I respect [[AI celibates]] and their life choices and I expect the same in return. Instead, all too often I just see aggression towards AI optimism.

"These tech bros..."

Metaphorical SLAP

Let's use [[tech siblings]]

It's only true passion for diversity and inclusion if you also do it for groups that you don't always agree or identify with.

If not, it's just sparkling tribalism.

[[Coop AI]]:
https://infosec.exchange/@n_dimension/115621429575051565

Inference only I think? But nice idea, I think we'll have lots of these projects in the future.

@n_dimension nice! To be clear are you suggesting running inference here? If so, which models would be used? If not, how do you plan to train?

@django TLDR: this shouldn't have been a suspend but a limit, and the fact that the CWG refused to change this while I wait ~3 weeks for you to meet (fair; I'm not part of the group to determine your meeting cadence) shows, the way I perceived it, a lack of care and concern for what people in the "outgroup" think, feel and need.

@django thank you for reaching out, Django! And thank you for getting the discussion started by reporting the account; I think that went well, and several things actually did, even though overall my feeling (as evidenced by the thread in Zulip and the above post) is still of frustration because of not feeling seen or considered enough.

My main frustration with the process, if I pin it down, is the fact that the group repeatedly ignored my proposal to move the account to a limit to allow people to still interact with the account if they want it *and* defuse the risky situation (the removal of follow relationships) at no obvious safety cost to anyone else while the CWG took all the time you need for deliberation. To insist on suspend after I made the points I made for limit, without actually acknowledging them, felt like being deliberately ignored. I also didn't like the fact that people *did* take the time to dismiss my concerns without substance.

@notsoloud I agree, but my answer here is 'Both' actually.

@flancian
Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Israeli controlled areas of Gaza. Areas of Gaza where Palestinians are not allowed. And all the roads and walls and check points in the West Bank. You should probably ask people driving in the area (on the Palestinian side) about this, but I doubt it's de facto a contiguous territory like on the map.

@flancian
There definitely was an Arabic colonial expansion, but there's no point litigating it 1300 years later.

Alternatively, decolonize Scania from the Swedes, Essex from the Saxons, Etruria from the Romans, Early European Farmer territory from the Steppe Herders, Hunter/gatherer lands from Early European Farmers, Neanderthal caves from Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Where is there one acre of land that isn't somehow stolen?

Let's acknowledge the past and do better today.

@notsoloud I thought it did, thanks! What's missing from the map? Looking

My hypothesis is that Jesus was high on mushrooms and/or cannabis for at least a few of the episodes in the new testament. I'm not sure about Mohammed. They might also just have had some neurological conditions that manifested as revelations.

@flancian
Things would be a lot better if the second map actually represented reality.

Let me ellaborate: this is how public it is: all my atproto data including this post. Take a look

https://pdsls.dev/at://did:plc:wvlbhx2c2srslifqzdiyaqpt

One or more of these maps show the result of aggressive colonial expansion. Which one? (#Poll in the next message.)